Looting
In the group loot obviously there's a lot of functionality here that parties have the ability to customize. There can be loot master, there can be round-robin, there can be need/greed/pass that's applied on a per rarity basis depending on the party's choices.[1] – Steven Sharif
Ashes of Creation intends to use traditional loot rules, selected by the party or raid leader.[3][4][5]
- Loot in Ashes of Creation encounters is finite and must be distributed between party or raid members who complete the encounter. There is no individual loot system that grants loot to all participants. This essentially acts to balance the lowered risk in large numbers against lower chances of gaining rewards.[6][7]
- Group loot rules are defined on a per-rarity basis.[1]
- A majority of party members must vote to approve any changes to group loot allocation changes.[2]
- The winners of loot rolls must directly interact with loot containers to claim the items in order to encourage friction between players wanting to protect the loot container. If the loot isn't claimed within a period of time, it will become public. This design may change based on further testing.[8][9] Previously, the developers were considering using a double-tap interaction to loot all containers within a close proximity radius.[10]
- Q: Why did need and greed change from going into your bag to now doing it where you have to go and pick up the item?
- A: The intended design is twofold: One, on an engineering side there was some concern about preserving the rights currently based off of net relevancy and distance, so we tried to cut down the time that you could roll need or greed; and then we also introduced a pause to the public loot rights timer on the loot container. But more so on the design side of it, part of I think the PvX engagement of an environment is not just, let's say, killing the mini boss, or killing the boss, or killing the creatures, but it is controlling the space after that to the point where you can ensure when that rolling is complete that you have access to the loot container to claim your reward as well; and that other players could potentially kill you during that process and wait until the loot container goes to a public permission setting. And we were having situations where players could sit in a node, or sit in a town in a raid or in a party and be granted the reward being nowhere near the loot container. So as an interim solution we incorporated this needing to interact with the loot container after successfully passing the rolls. And we're going to test with that and see how that goes with certain PvX situations.[9] – Steven Sharif
- There won't be auto-looting pets.[11]
- It will be possible to kick a player from a party prior to them acquiring loot.[12]
- Yes, technically it would be possible for you to kick a player prior to acquiring loot. However, again because we are a game that relies on social interactions, there are reputations to be had; and if you acquire a reputation as a raid leader, or as a party leader, of doing something dirty like that, then it's unlikely you'll be able to Garner the support of future party members and/or raids to lead efforts against these raid bosses.[12] – Steven Sharif
- Free-for-all.[5]
- Whoever is first to loot gets the loot.[3]
- A master looter (or lootmaster) is a player designated by the party leader to decide how loot is distributed in a dungeon or raid party.[5]
- With round-robin looting, party members take turns looting.[5]
- This is a traditional need before greed system based on dice rolls.[5]
- Since there is very little gear binding in Ashes of Creation, it's left to the party to deal with players who excessively roll Need on loot.[13]
- Bidding system.[5]
- Intrepid are investigating a potential bidding system, which allows players to bid on items instead of rolling for them.[5]
Loot tagging
Looting rights (also known as Loot tagging) is based on a blended tag and damage done system.[14][15][4]
- The first raid/party to obtain a tag (on a mob or boss) will gain an approximately 5-10% edge over competing parties in terms of the total damage done when determining looting rights.[15][4]
- These numbers will be balanced based on testing.[15]
- We have a combination of a tag system that grants some bonus percentage to the first tag and then we cumulatively value the damage done on a raid/party basis; and then whichever party exceeds the 50% as a result of that has the loot rights for a period of time; and then after that period of time expires it becomes public.[14] – Steven Sharif
- At the end of the fight, the party with the highest damage done, including first tagging bonus, will be granted looting rights for a period of time.[14][15][4] If the looting rights are not exercised in the timeframe, the loot becomes public.[14]
- We have a blended approach of damage done and a tag benefit. So if you tag the boss first, or you tag the loot- whatever the loot target is first- you're gonna get a benefit in the damage overall determination. So if you need to have 51% of damage done in order to qualify your raid, or the plurality of damage done if there's even three or four raids, then tagging first might give you a five or ten percent edge. We'll play with that number- balance it based on testing, but generally that's our approach in competing loot rights[15] – Steven Sharif
- Q: If looting rights are based on a blended tag and damage done system, will there be any mechanics in place to ensure roles like tanks and healers have an equal shot even when they haven't dealt as much damage?
- A: That's the reason for the blended approach. The reason that we're doing a hybrid system between tag and damage done is for the purposes of those classes who may not be as DPS oriented as other classes. The tag system- all classes are going to have a sprinkling of immediate effects- of instantaneous casts and they can use that to tag a target, and that'll give them a modifier on the looting rights: So plus 10 or plus 15 will balance that, but it'll give them plus 10 to 15 on overall damage done if they tag the target and then their damage will make up the remainder of that percentage completion. So if I do 50 damage to a target but someone else has the tag I'm not going to be able to claim that looting right. They'll have done the other 50 plus 10 or 15.[16] – Steven Sharif
Loot tables

It's anywhere from 2 to 4% chance on an individual mob kill that it might drop a completed item. But, the majority of those cases are going to be basic white low quality items that get dropped essentially and you don't have control over some of the stats that relate to that item.[17] – Steven Sharif
- Mobs drop glint, items, and crafting materials in preference to gold.[18][19]
- Glint is not bound to a specific region and can be also dropped by players on death as stolen glint, based on applicable death penalties.[20][21][22][23][18][24]
- The rarity of glint increases with the mob's level.[25]
- Loot tables are disabled for player controlled monsters.[26]
- Experience debt decreases the drop rate percentages from monsters.[27]
- Q: Are Alpha-2 bosses dropping full items instead of recipes and mats placeholder?
- A: The reward tables are very much in a functional state right now. So, I wouldn't look at these reward tables and say oh this is long-term intended. This is for A2 purposes. However, it is going to be a combination of both. You're going to have full loot drops that are going to occur with world bosses. That is an expectation that should be kept. But, in addition, you will have recipes, you will have unique material components that are used to create those items as well; and you'll also have the ability to deconstruct those items to recoup some of those more unique materials to potentially create more.[28] – Steven Sharif
- Loot (loot tables) from mobs and bosses have about a 2-4% RNG chance of dropping gear (completed items).[17][29][28][30][31]
- There is also a chance that materials and unique recipes are dropped that can be used to craft items of equitable value.[29][28][30][32][33]
- Most completed item drops will be of low quality items, but there is a small RNG chance of looting rare and legendary items or crafting materials from mobs based on the level, status and type of mob. This also applies to harvesting resources with a gathering profession.[17][34][35]
- RNG drop chances will likely not be made public.[36]
- Stats on dropped items will vary based on the rarity of the item.[37]
- The Luck waterfall stat influences potential drop rates. This stat accumulates when within a group.[6]
- Party size does not directly affect loot drops, but since loot in Ashes of Creation encounters is finite (there is no individual loot system), it must be distributed between all party members. This essentially acts to balance the lowered risk in large numbers against lower chances of gaining rewards.[6][7]
- The greater level disparity between a character (or average level of the party) and the mob being looted, the lower the drop percentages will be from that mob. The ideal range is within 5 levels of the mob. Any player or party member with greater than 9 levels difference will stop drops and experience gains.[6][38][17]
- You are most ideal if you're within I believe five levels of the monster that you're killing- party average. However, if anybody in your party is over 9 levels higher than the monster, then the drops and the experience do not occur.[6] – Steven Sharif
- Loot tables will likely not be affected by weather conditions.[39] This was previously listed as a possible effect.[40]
- There won't be specific loot drops for artisans.[41][42] Previously it was stated that master gatherers may have the ability to "spoil" a boss' loot.[43]
- Q: Can only one gathering artisan harvest resources from a single boss, or can multiple different artisans harvest different parts from a boss for different resources? For example, a lumberjack gets a special wood from Tumock's tree weapon, while a herbalist gathers the flowers from that same tree.
- A: We don't have the concept of harvesting from bosses. NPCs follow a reward table format, where those reward tables are global. They're not unique to particular players. So, once the NPC is vanquished, you have access to the loot container that is its corpse; and it has a static value of either materials or items that get dropped; and whatever the party loot settings are that you might be a part of, or if you're a solo player you will be able to recover those things.[42] – Steven Sharif
Glint
Glint (previously known as Hunting certificates and Monster certificates) is a bound currency that drops from mobs and players, and is offered as a reward for completing certain quests, events, and achievements. Glint is intended to be the primary method for generating gold in the Ashes of Creation economy.[45][46][21][47][18][19]
- Glint serves a very integral role in the economy within Ashes of Creation. It is a material substance that is acquired through various means, but primarily hunting different antagonists within the world; and it is the physical form of Essence within the beasts of Verra. So when you acquire this it is bound to your character, and that is a very important component of the economic systems here because glint will be used to pay for certain services, such as taxation for buildings that you have, or citizenship dues that are necessary.[48] – Steven Sharif
- Glint is not localized to specific regions.[20][21][22][23][18][24] Previously it was stated that glint was specific to an economic region.[49][18][50][19]
- Glint occupies space within the spatial inventory system and must be transported via crates when in large quantities.[20]
- Glint can be sold directly to commodities vendors at hunting lodges within nodes to "make some quick money".[51]
- Glint may be traded with commodities vendors for player commodities. These commodities can then be transported to other nodes (via caravan or merchant ship) where they can be traded for gold.[21][49][18][50][19] The gold value is based on the demand for the commodity at the destination node (over the last seven days) as well as its distance from the originating node.[52][21]
- Glint will drop as stolen glint on a character's death, based on applicable death penalties.[21][22][23][18][24] Glint taken from caravan wreckages is also classed as stolen.[53] Stolen glint is not bound and may be redeemed for less than its original value at black market locations.[21][22]
- Glint may be used to pay housing taxes and citizen dues.[48][21][47]
- Glint can be stored within node warehouses.[18]
- Glint is not intended as crafting materials.[47]
- Glint is always distributed via round-robin loot rules.[54]
Resource quality
Resources will have differing tiers of rarity for the same resource type.[55] This is somewhat similar to Star Wars Galaxies.[56]
- Gatherers who are more advanced in their artisan tree will unlock higher level gathering tools that have a greater chance of collecting higher quality resources or proccing a greater quantity.[55][57][58]
- You will have an opportunity to proc certain qualities based on your progression in the Artisan tree. So if you are a gatherer; and as you advance in your gathering, you'll have a higher opportunity to collect better resources.[58] – Steven Sharif
- Gatherable rarities in Alpha-2 phase-2 are being refined.[59]
- We are also refining how gatherable rarity impacts crafted item stats, ensuring gatherable rarity feels more meaningful. All of these features, along with other system refinements based on community feedback, will be introduced in the 0.8 (April 10, 2025 ), 0.9 (April 24, 2025), and 0.10 (May 8, 2025) build updates.[59] – Cody Peterson
Mount and pet drops
Mounts and pets are dropped by world bosses on a very rare basis.[60]
Temporary mounts
Temporary mounts that drop from bosses will age and eventually die.[61]
Caravan looting

This caravan was loaded with a combination of, it looks like commodity crates and material crates.[62] – John Collins
If a caravan is destroyed or it despawns it becomes a wreckage that contains a portion of the cargo it was transporting.[63][62][64][65][66][67][68] The remainder of the caravan's goods are sunk (lost) when the caravan is destroyed.[64][69]
- When a caravan gets destroyed it creates a wreckage. That wreckage will have a number of the supplies that the caravan was carrying; and when stolen by attackers those supplies become essentially stolen glint, or corrupted glint, and stolen resources that the caravan was hauling. If they are commodities they can maintain their commodity type, and players will have to summon a caravan from a nearby node that would be empty in order to haul those crates back. You can also break into the crates or the cargo itself instead of hauling the cargo as a completed shipment. Doing so reduces the number of total resources that you can gather from the crate. So a portion of it is sunk to the system; and then a portion of it gets sunk further if you choose to break open the crates versus attempting to haul them back.[64] – Steven Sharif
- Commodities crates are marked with a green symbol. Materials crates are marked with a black symbol.[62]
- Anyone may loot a caravan's wreckage.[69]
- Unsealing crates (by breaking open sealed crates) yields less value than transporting the sealed crates for unloading.[70] This is in addition to the value already lost when the caravan was destroyed.[71][64][53][21]
- Caravan components are destroyed if the caravan is destroyed.[72][65] Previously it was stated that components may drop when a caravan is destroyed.[73]
- Q: What is the reason for requiring the destruction of a caravan by the attackers as opposed to the attackers gaining possession of the caravan?
- A: With caravans we really want to emphasize this idea of not necessarily stealing the vehicle, but being forced to achieve victory through destruction; and when you do, you then have the logistical issue of how you're going to transport those goods on your own rather than servicing the transport of that by just hijacking.[74] – Steven Sharif
- In an earlier design iteration, prior to the introduction of cargo crates, it was proposed that destroyed caravans dropped certificates for heavy goods that were redeemable at the origin node for a portion of the goods.[75][68]
- There is no limit to the number of times caravans can be commandeered or the number of times caravans get destroyed and replaced.[76]
AoE looting
AoE (Area of effect) looting is not included in the looting mechanics at the time of writing. It may be added based on feedback.[77]
Player death
When a player dies they disintegrate into ash. The ashes contain any items lost by the player due to applicable death penalties.[80][22][23][24][18]
- Player flagging can be triggered by looting a non-corrupted character who is not in the same raid, party, or guild within a certain timeframe.[81][82]
- We have the concept of introducing flagging as a part of looting a body that is not a member of your raid, party, or guild; and if you do loot that body successfully after the required time you will be flagged and then can become a valid target in PvP.[82]
- The developers intend to have a visual callout and a minimap indicator to identify a player's own loot pile.[83]
- The loot UI will include information about the player's guild or node affiliation. This may include the player's guild icon.[84]
- It might even be the case that their particular bag space doesn't have available location for a three-by-one log; and you're a lumberjack and they see you just chopping down these trees and you're like, there's no point in me engaging with this person, because I have nothing to gain due to my capacity.[88] – Steven Sharif
- There will be a period of time following a player's death before their mule despawns. Other players must kill that player's mule to be able to loot it.[89]
- If the mule dies its corpse will contain the same percentage of lootable items according to the player's death penalties.[89][90]
- Players do not lose gold upon death, no matter their corruption level.[91]
- Glint looted from a dead character by any other player, regardless of affiliation, becomes stolen glint. Character's who loot their own bodies will recover their glint in its non-stolen state.[92][21][22]
- Death by drowning is possible.[94][95]
- Players that drown will respawn on shore.[94] Players on destroyed ships may respawn at the nearest harbor.[96]
Full loot
There will not be a full loot (full drop) system in Ashes of Creation.[97]
There will not be a full drop and the reason for that is because our intention when it comes to progression within the world is we want it to be meaningful and take some investment on behalf of the player; and if even if from a design standpoint we're like yeah but they have to choose to go to the area; we don't want a choice that a player can make where they delete their character so to speak.[97] – Steven Sharif
Item rendering
Items that are dragged out of a player's inventory are destroyed.[98]
- Allowing player-dropped items (such as Gear and Currency) to exist in the world is likely not going to be allowed.[98][99]
Visuals
2023-01-30
See also
References
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